tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624205718121734803.post3943655847362986747..comments2024-01-25T10:27:15.895-05:00Comments on Spring 2021 Online Course Diary: Vulgate Verse: stella matutina, morning starLaura Gibbshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04994025992373244815noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624205718121734803.post-32451837648182558812014-05-25T14:07:48.724-04:002014-05-25T14:07:48.724-04:00Thank you for your clarification of "Lucifer&...Thank you for your clarification of "Lucifer" being from the Vulgate and referencing the King of Babylon. Mr. Denton decries extrabiblical sources, but without some, we would not understand many things that are recorded for us.<br /><br />Do you have a similar article on "Satan"? Since the definite article is almost always used in the Tenach, "ha-satan," we should surmise that this is not a proper name, but simply referring to "the adversary" or "the accuser." So we are not even given the devil's name which would lend authority to its use in certain situations.RadarReconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04796334792934079011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624205718121734803.post-45949819214792891302012-05-26T11:30:59.663-04:002012-05-26T11:30:59.663-04:00Your use of 2 Peter as relation to Lucifer (Satan)...Your use of 2 Peter as relation to Lucifer (Satan) and Christ, having used the same word (Lucifer- "light bringer/bearer) to reference himself, is flawed. First, many times in the Bible, we see persons given names that relate to the environment or situation about them. Lucifer is one example. The relation to the word Lucifer being used to describe Venus is extra-biblical (outside of the Biblical scope) and should not be used in concert when understanding scripture. Second, from a careful reading of 2 Peter, we also see that the audience Peter is addressing is the body of beleivers. This then leads the reader that is knowledgeable in scripture to understand that Peter had not said "until Jesus rises in your hearts.", for the body of beleivers ALREADY has Jesus in their hearts. Third, you are correct in saying Jesus refered to Himself as "The Bright and Morning Star". It should be noted that "Morning Star" and "Bright and Morning Star" are two distinct and separate names. True, the two are similar SOUNDING, but the relation between the two ends there. Lastly, several times in your article, you use the words available to you and take them out of the context of their original reading (i.e. Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it has been known as the Morning Star or Evening Star; your insistance that Isaiah "is actually writing, metaphorically, in reference to the King of Babylon"; stating "lucifer", which actually comes from LUCEM FERRE (light bearer), is used in 2 Peter when clearly "morning star" (stella matutina) is used; and your use of the Greek (please reference "phosphorus (morning star)" in Wikipedia)). The bible referes to this kind of casual sorting of scripture with a stern warning. Ironically, it is found in the very book you mentioned: 2 Peter. We read in Chapter 3, verse 16: "He(Paul) writes in the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters(the way beleivers should conduct themselves). His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own distruction". Do not be unwise as to the things of God. Jesus is God, and is therefore eternal (not created). Lucifer (Satan) is a created being (created by Jesus) and therefore has no relation to God. The Latter Day (or Mormon) belief is that Jesus IS NOT God and is the brother of Lucifer. This is in direct violation of scripture (God's Word) from the very first verse. The early church never saw Jesus as Lucifer, as like Lucifer, as related to Lucifer, but as Stella Splendida Matutina (two totally different words).EricDentonnoreply@blogger.com